Jana Harper | You Call It A Cloud

Joie Bourisseau

September 14, 2013 | September 29, 2013 | October 11, 2013 | February 1, 2014

September 14, 2013

In Joie’s apartment outside St. Louis, MO.

Jana Harper:
Do you feel like talking to me about where you took that picture in there?

Joie Bourisseau:
We’re on tape?

JH:
Mm hmm.

JB:
Not today.

JH:
No?

JB:
I’ll be happy to talk with you another time. But it has to do with this picture too. Did you know that?

JH:
No.

JB:
Oh gosh. This is the one where they were starting to come into this dimension from a higher dimension. And when they do [that], they stir up the atmosphere. That’s why you see clouds around them. They don’t make clouds to cover themselves, but they stir up the atmosphere to accommodate that higher frequency that’s coming in. And so about the time I saw that, I was hearing Lord Surea, the commander of the starship asking me to go up to that point.

JH:
Mm hmm.

JB:
Did you want me to say this again so you can record it?

JH:
I am recording it.

JB:
(Laughing). Okay.

JH:
I think I am… yeah, it’s recording.

JB:
I have a lot of other pictures where I said there’s a starship or there’s a scout ship and we began to see these little ones popping up as we were going up the mountain. That was Mount Blanca.

JH:
Yeah.

JB:
And Mount Blanca is the eastern gate of the Navaho Nation. You know they have North, West, East, South gates.

JH:
Mm hmm.

JB:
I kept feeling like there was going to be something happening. But I kept doubting it, “Oh no, that won’t happen. I doubt it. No, I’m just making this up.” Then all of a sudden, there it was, sheeew, right in front of us. And it didn’t come in like an airplane comes in, and it didn’t come in like it dropped from the ground. Just one moment it wasn’t there, and the next moment it was there.

JH:
Hmm.

JB:
That’s the way it works from one dimension to another.

JH:
So where were you when you took that picture?

JB:
I was on the road from Alamosa to Crestone. The Great Sand Dunes are just off to the left.

JH:
Yeah, that’s what I thought. So on the same drive where you took that one, you then decided to drive up to Mount Blanca on the same day?

JB:
Yeah, but it wasn’t on the same road. That road takes you to another road where you start to go around the mountain to the right and then there’s a dirt road that directs you to Mount Blanca. To Mount Blanca parking or it may say something about the falls. There are the falls up there that you can walk in-between dimensions also.

JH:
Water falls?

JB:
Mm hmm.

JH:
Oh wow. Is it open to the public: Mount Blanca? It’s not a sacred mountain?

JB:
It is a sacred mountain but it’s open to the public. At least it was when I was there. I wish I could think of the name of those falls cause I think that’s what’s on the sign.

JH:
Is that the dirt road?

JB:
Yeah.

JH:
Where the falls are?

JB:
Yeah. At the top of that road. It’s also the road where that [picture] was taken from. That ship was taken from. (Whispers) It’s a big project.

JH:
It’s just my first trip.

JB:
(Whispers) It’s a big project.

JH:
I know.

JB:
I’m excited for you.

JH:
Thank you.

September 14, 2013

Later on the same day.

JB:
Did I ever tell you about the galactic version of the blue angels?

JH:
No.

JB:
Ok. Mary Anne, Marvin Irby, and I were driving into town. This was when we still lived on Willow Creek. And all of a sudden, they appeared. “They” meaning starships. We stopped to look. I always get a feeling to get out my camera when it’s something important. And these guys started dive bombing and swooping and coming up in the sky like the blue angels do, but it was all like (snaps her fingers) that fast, you would just see a cloud. But if you stood still, it would be moving very fast up and down and around. It was so cool!

JH:
Hmmm.

JB:
That’s all. (Laughing).

September 29, 2013

In Joie’s apartment outside St. Louis, MO.

JH:
Okay, go ahead. Go back to telling me about the road.

JB:
I will. We were on Route 150, which I believe is the road that goes around Mount Blanca. So you will be on that, either from the Sand Dunes end or from the Pueblo end when you come down towards Alamosa, you’ll pass that road. And this is where I began hearing, on my inner planes, not with my ears, but receiving the guidance, to go up to the top of Mount Blanca. I didn’t know why, it was just very strong that I go up there. So the road is like a switchback: the Zapata Falls road. Which is what you turn on to. It’s a dirt road, a switch back and… you want me to tell you about the trail-head and all of that too?

JH:
No, I want you to tell me about the scout ships.

JB:
Okay. The scout ships were down at the bottom of the road, of 150, just before I turned onto the Zapata Falls road. And I kept looking at them, thinking they were scout ships, but then I thought I was crazy: that I was making this up.

JH:
What do they look like?

JB:
Do you know what the landing craft looks like on the moon? Where it has the arms coming down, the legs coming down, and it’s like circular from above?

JH:
Mm hmm.

JB:
That’s kind of what they look like, but they’re in cloud form. So anyway, I saw them, a lot of them. And went on up the road to the falls and by that time there were some of these cirrus… is that what they’re called… clouds? People call them cirrus clouds?

JH:
That cloud right there?

JB:
Uh huh.

JH:
That’s called a lenticular cloud.

JB:
Lenticular. That’s what I was thinking of.

JH:
Cirrus are the real wispy ones.

JB:
Okay. Lenticular cloud! And they started taking shape, the higher I went up the road to Zapata Falls. We’re not talking about a long way: it’s just a couple of miles, but it has switchbacks. And we got up to the…

JH:
So wait, the scout ones were turning into these ones?

JB:
No, no, no.

JH:
No?

JB:
The scout ships were like the advance guard coming in preparation for this: the large ship to come. Like preparing the energy, is the only way I know how to put it. Does that make sense?

JH:
Mm hmm.

JB:
Okay. So when we were up at the top, this craft started taking its shape. And we stood and watched it, and that is when it began slipping in and out of its spot. Have I told you about this?

JH:
No.

JB:
When they come in to this plane, they have to slip in and out, and I have pictures that show that…

JH:
Okay.

JB:
They slip in and out, three or four, five, ten times before they can get the right updraft/downdraft that gives them a cushion both from above and below to come fully into form. And you can see the points where they are going back and forth trying to get to that place of balance.

JH:
Mm hmm.

JB:
The crafts, I think I’ve told you, but you may have forgotten… they move in a counter-rotational way and this is how the clouds get formed. Because they are actually stirring up the atmosphere by the counter-rotational action. If it was coming just one way, it wouldn’t stir it up the way it does in this counter-rotational manner.

JH:
Mm hmm.

JB:
So we headed back down, and I thought we were done: I though we’d seen all that we were supposed to see. And I was told to turn around. And this [picture] was actually [taken] turning around from going down.

JH:
This is on the road going up, even though you were looking down.

JB:
That’s right. I and went, “Holy cow!” It was so huge. And what you see here: it was looking out over the whole San Luis Valley. You could see that underneath it. So it looks from this vantage point like it’s small, but it’s not! It’s huge! (Sighs.) Any more?

JH:
And the peak is off up and to the right… in the picture…is that right?

JB:
Blanca?

JH:
Yeah.

JB:
Yes. Blanca is off to the right.

JH:
And then where is the range of the Sangre de Cristo’s? They go, like parallel up here?

JB:
Yeah. Yeah.

JH:
That way?

JB:
Forward. Have fun!

JH:
Is that all you got right now?

JB:
That’s all I got right now.

JH:
Okay.

October 11, 2013

Leaving Crestone, CO.

(Ringing).

Joie Bourisseau:
Hi honey.

Jana Harper:
Hi mama.

JB:
How’d it go?

JH:
It went really well.

JB:
Oh, really! You found what you wanted?

JH:
We found your stuff. We found four boxes that have proof prints and negatives. We found the Christmas box and the artwork.

JB:
Great. Oh, I’m so glad you found them. Lord Surea was just talking to me and telling me be sure I say hello and that you’ve done a great job. (Laughing). Really!

JH:
Ahh, that’s nice.

JB:
Lord Surea is the commander of that space ship.

JH:
I know.

JB:
I wasn’t sure if you remembered.

JH:
Oh no, I remember.

JB:
He was just [telling] me a few things to remind you of in case you forgot.

JH:
Like what?

JB:
I don’t know. I forgot. (Guffaws).

(All laughing).

JB:
All I could hold was, be sure and let her know I’m thinking of her. Oh! I know!

JH:
(Laughing). Let it out Laurencia!

JB:
What did she say?

JH:
She really wants to laugh.

JB:
That’s alright. Go ahead. Go ahead.

(Laurencia laughs hard).

JB:
It sounds like she’s choking.

JH:
Ok. What else did he say?

JB:
Is this a sign she doesn’t believe?

JH:
No…

Laurencia Strauss:
It was because you couldn’t remember.

JH:
It’s cause you were so cute, and you said “he told me a bunch of things!” and I said, “What?” and you said, “I don’t remember!”

(Everyone laughing.)

JB:
Ok, now I remember.

JH:
Ok.

JB:
He…he is, oh god, I don’t know how to describe it. You know he’s from the star system Sirius.

JH:
Yeah.

JB:
The Dog Star?

JH:
Yeah.

JB:
Well there are three that I know of: three different kinds of animals that come from there. There’s the dog. One is the dolphin.

(Long Pause.) Are you with me?

JH:
I’m with you. I’m just going to take a photograph and we had just stopped the car and it’s just starting to rain. Keep talking.

JB:
Ok. Well I can’t tell you if you’re doing distracting stuff because I’m channeling it.

JH:
I’m not distracted. I’m with you one hundred percent.

JB:
Umm.

JH:
The dog, the dolphin, and what’s the third?

JB:
A lion. And you know what the lion is called? The king of the jungle?

JH:
Mm hmm.

JB:
He is a lion.

JH:
Yeah?

JB:
It’s a very honorific position-In Sirius. Though there’s no elevated position like there is here: there’s nobody better than or less than. Honorific is the only way I know how to describe it. And when I see him, I see a lion talking to me.

JH:
Mmmm.

JB:
And in 1972 when I was awakened, I learned later that there were others that were also awakened.

JH:
Yeah?

JB:
And he is the one in our solar system, no Milky Way Galaxy, it’s bigger than the solar system. In the galaxy who pushed to help planet Earth awaken. And [advocated] for those who were ready. And there were all kinds of councils and meetings held. Many of the star systems didn’t feel that we earthlings were ready yet. Or we hadn’t evolved enough on our own.

JH:
Mm hmm.

JB:
And he talked them into it by saying, if we don’t awaken them now, they are going to stay asleep forever. We’ve got to have some awake. Even though it’s going to be hard or painful for some of them.

JH:
Mmm.

JB:
That’s pretty much what he wanted me to tell you.

JH:
Why did he want you to tell me that mom?

JB:
I have no idea. Did you know all that?

JH:
Is it because our journey has been hard and sometimes painful?

JB:
No. I don’t think so. I think if you get quiet and meditate you can ask him. And let him talk to you like your angels do.

JH:
Ok.

JB:
I’m not behind this message, honey. This message has come from him. It’s just coming through me.

JH:
Ok, I see. I know.

February 1, 2014

Joie Bourisseau:
Okay, Lord Surea’s standing by: what can we do for you? (Both laugh.)
He gave me like a kick in the butt. (More laughing.)

Jana Harper:
Well I guess I wanted to talk one more time about your experience in Crestone and Lord Surea and that image. I felt like we had such a lovely, amazing conversation recently about the gift that you have and about how on the one hand you have this diagnosis of bipolar and on the other hand you’ve lived this amazing life and touched all these people and made these beautiful photographs and had such vision.

JB:
I’m very grateful for that. Tapping into that vision is what has kept me sane. Otherwise I think I would have gone crazy. Because the vision is connected with my heart. And what I call my belly-heart. Where it’s very still and very calm and very rich, but not active. I’m just so grateful for that. And it has just kind of evolved from a deep knowing that I didn’t know I had and I didn’t look for. It happened from the first time I picked up a camera. I knew what I was doing. My mother in particular would say, “There is something very special about your photographs.” And I had no idea what she was talking about. And what I eventually came to realize is that I, and I say a collective “I” because I thought I was receiving a lot of help from other-dimensional beings, connecting into the spirit and the soul of the person or the subject of whatever I was taking. Whether it was nature or people, I could feel the spirit in it and the spirit always acknowledged itself in my belly. I couldn’t do it from my head.

JH:
You know, to hear you talk about the way you photographed people, you’ve just reminded me of something, which is, and I think I’ve said this to you before, that one of the things I admire most about you is your ability to really see people. And I guess when I’ve said that before, what I’ve meant is: you see their spirit before you see their external appearance.

JB:
That’s true in part, but I don’t see with my physical eyes. The seeing is through my heart.

JH:
Yes. Maybe I’m not using the right words, but what I appreciate is that you acknowledge or feel the spirit of people and of places. It’s an amazing gift. And the fact that it translates in your photographs is extraordinary.

JB:
Yeah, I’m kind of in awe of it. I took it for granted for a long time. And I think there was a lot of ego involved. And now that [I’m] at this point, I’m just in awe that I was so beautifully carried through this whole process when my outer life was in such upheaval.

JH:
I was hoping you would tell me again the story about discovering the spirits in the clouds and about your relationship with Lord Surea and the other cloud beings.

JB:
Okay. Let me just say that I did not experience them as cloud beings.

JH:
Okay.

JB:
You are asking to know about Lord Surea and I will do my best to answer that question, but what we’re really talking about is a council of beings that are all one. And at a certain level, we are all one. And then as we drop our energy down toward this frequency, this plane, the third dimensional plane, we drop off and we have certain job descriptions and certain problems to solve. So Lord Surea’s job, as he came toward this dimension, was to help awaken the people on planet Earth. And I was part of this council too, as was everyone I worked with. What I learned the most, in Crestone was our oneness, how we are all one. And that is without saying, mind-blowing, when you look at it from a third dimensional perspective. Since we see ourselves as separate. We aren’t. We’re all here doing our job with each other. (Pause.)

Do you have anything particular you want to ask me?

JH:
Well I was hoping we could talk about the clouds! (Both laugh). [Could you] tell me about that one picture that’s by your bed?

JB:
Okay. I will do my best. Maryanne and I were in Alamosa grocery shopping. It had been a long day and we were both very tired and getting kind of gripey with each other. We both wanted to just go home and get in our own rooms away from each other. Then I heard Lord Surea ask us to come up to the overlook on Mount Blanca. And I was struggling with him in my head, going, “No, please no. No, no, please.” Well, when you are dealing with these God-beings-and I’m going to call them that-cause they are-you don’t say no! You don’t drop into your 3-D self and just say, “Go away!” even though you want to. So I told Maryanne what was going on and I said, “Lord Surea wants us to come up to the overlook” and she says, “No, I’m not going to go. I have to go home.” I said, “I know how you feel. I’ve just been having that same argument with him. But he’s quite insistent that he wants us to come up and [he wants] me to be sure and have my camera.” This was just before the turn off to go to [Zapata] falls. So we went up, and as we were going up I was seeing all those other ships that I called landing ships and scout ships and things like that. And as we got up to the top, I kept seeing these other ships that were kind of forming, but not fully forming. And then they started forming over the Sand Dunes [National Monument]. From up on the overlook it was to the north of where we were facing. So we were just watching them slip in and out of this dimension as I’ve described to you. You want me to do that again?

JH:
Yeah.

JB:
Okay. In order to hold a position, they work with the updrafts coming off the mountain and they are moving very rapidly (in another dimension) in a counter-rotational manner, which means that they are going both clockwise and counterclockwise at the same time.

JH:
And who are ‘they’?

JB:
The commanders of the ships. Think of Star Trek. It’s like all the people who run the ship! In all of their different positions. And this is something that I am imagining was not a very frequent thing to happen. They were doing an experiment with us to see if they could come in to where we could see them and if we could hold the energy for them to be here. Cause that frequency is really high. And we were already tired to begin with. And yet they were very respectful of us. I do not want to at all imply that they were trying to push us. They just were letting us know that it was an important thing-if we could possibly do it. And I was also given the impression that it was not about now. Now meaning that moment. But it was something that was going to be important for the future. So, we left where we had been sitting at the overlook and started [driving] down the hill, and that’s when out of the rear-view mirror I saw the ships actually form the cloud. And I said to Maryanne, “I think we might want to turn around and get out of the car and take a look at this!” and I said, “Is that what I think it is?”

JH:
Wow. That must have been amazing.

JB:
It was. It was so awe-inspiring that there are no words. And as I’m saying this, I’m getting massive rushes of shakti up and down my spine because it was so powerful and so unbelievable. Our minds knew what we were seeing but we didn’t believe it. So we stood there and I took a number of shots of it, as you know. And went home and got mad (laughing) and retired to our rooms! We put the groceries away first. But you know, it was not a 3-D thing. Getting angry could have been the higher frequencies beginning to push out lower vibrations that would have kept us from participating with them at that level. So, it may not have been a problem with us at all.

It’s an odd thing when you try to describe living in the other realities simultaneously. You can’t use a description from one reality to describe another reality. It doesn’t work.

JH:
Do you still have that sensation of navigating multiple realities?

JB:
When I was just describing it to you-I do, but not very often. I don’t go there because my nervous system can’t handle it anymore.

JH:
Do you think the medication you take prevents you from going there?

JB:
No. I truly don’t want to. You can’t live in this reality-the third dimension-and be going up and down. You see, Crestone itself, as you found out, is not in the third dimension. So you can live in other realities simultaneously. But we went up so high that it really burnt me out. I watched my nerves and my neural synapses in my brain fry. I literally watched them fry.

JH:
It seems weird that Lord Surea would let that happen to you.

JB:
Yeah, I was angry. I was furious. And they apologized to me. They said, “It was an experiment and we truly did not know what to expect or how much you could handle.” And they apologized over and over and over again. I mean I screamed at them for days. Cause I knew it wasn’t in my blueprint that it was supposed to happen this way.

JH:
When was that?

JB:
After I’d moved into Joni’s house [on Rendezvous Way].